91 Mighty Max build...BAG THAT S#^$

[Payrion]

This is the build of my 91 MM....Im not looking to go nuts with this build..been there before and it takes too much time and money....Im planning on just a basic bag job to lay frame on 18 inch rims. Id like to have it on the road again by spring...Ill be working on this pretty much on the weekends only. Id like to hear suggestions as i go. I have tons of experience with s10 but nothing like this as far as bags go. I think ive read about everything on the net and am ready to cut into it.
here are a few pics of it lowered on springs.....body needs some work but that will be for next year.....
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/2011-11-211635561.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/2011-11-21163507.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/2011-11-21163443.jpg

[Payrion]

well i got it pulled in the garage, up on jack stands and front wheels off...i soaked the front down with cleaner to break up some of the 20 years of grease...Tomorrow if im up to it im planning on pulling the front fenders, bumper and grille...maybe break down the front hubs and brakes..ill snap a few pics tomorrow after im complete.

[l.k.]

sweet........

[pennyman1]

If you've worked on s10 suspension, then these trucks are very close - hell, even the shocks are the same length front and rear and can be interchanged. Always wondered about swapping the spindles from an s10 to a d50 for more wheel and brake options though...

[LiL Bastard]

Please don't do it.

[Payrion]

If you've worked on s10 suspension, then these trucks are very close - hell, even the shocks are the same length front and rear and can be interchanged. Always wondered about swapping the spindles from an s10 to a d50 for more wheel and brake options though...

i have some s10 drop spindles here..what were ya thinking, swappn left for right to turn the tie rods to rear ?....i know the s 10 spindles are a crap load larger....

[Payrion]

well got a little done tonight...got the existing springs out, pass spindle off, need a new pickle fork to get the driver lower ball joint off, stuck....Man im really glad i have a plasma this build..i couldnt get the shock bolt to stop spinning, so i cut the crap off in 1/2 second.
here are a few pics, i found my dig camera so ill start taking better pics soon...

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/2011-11-22183001.jpg

these will go on..drop spindles
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/2011-11-22183051.jpg

the weapon tonight....picked it up from eastwood...uses hypertherm consumables, works great!
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/2011-11-22182746.jpg

tomorrow im gonna try to get the ball joint broke loose on the drivers side, and get the control arms off, remove fenders.....lets see if it happens...

[Payrion]

Please don't do it.
please dont do what?

[pennyman1]

he was refering to using s10 spindles on a d50...

[Payrion]

Are the upper ball joints press in...mine are so caked with crud I cant tell....lol..
I got the fenders off tonight, lowers removed, strut bar and sway bar gone... gonna remove uppers tomorrow, cut out for lower bag plate and plan my pocket cut...pics tomorrow....
ANYONE...need a sway bar, slightly cut stock springs, spindles? If no one speaks up i think they are going in the dump...

o ya...boy were my lower bushings fried....they came out in 3 pieces....gonna order new in a minute.

[DroppedMitsu]

Yea I replaced my lower bushings 6 months ago and they were done for lol, I'm sure everyone's truck on here could use a replacing if they havent done so. I'm pretty sure the upper b/j's are press in from what I can tell.

[camoit]

ask blindeyed. he just did ball joints on his truck.

[Fordubishi]

the ball joints are easy to put in,they have a snap ring on the pin side. There is a small dot on the ball joint that lines up with a dot on the control arm.Just line the dots up and use a large socket or piece of pipe that is about the same size as the lip on the dome side of the ball joint, then tap it into the control arm. once their seated just install the snap ring on the pin side and you're done other then the grease boot.

[Fordubishi]

Also Energy Suspension has lower,end link, strut rod, and rear leaf spring bushings if you want them in Polyurethane

[pennyman1]

Uppers are press in for all years - the lower bushings and strut rod bushings take a real beating on these trucks

[Payrion]

so no snap ring easy out? like 2 posts above?

[Fordubishi]

Moog Part# MOK9372 1979-1993 Dodge D50/Ram 50
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/images/product_images/thumbs200/moog/K9372.jpg

this is the Moog upper ball joints as you see there is a snap ring. these are what I used in my rebuild. the ball joints are still press in but the ring is for added insurance.

[Payrion]

ahhh ok...

[Payrion]

im going to pick up some 1/4 " plate....What and for what reasons do people prefer upper floating cups or upper bag plate welded in or secured in some way......i measures and a 4 inch round welded to a round bag plate slightly offset would be great...i see no real need to secure the upper cup, floating should be fine...my first s10 was a floating upper cup.....just wanting some ideas

[Fordubishi]

Here a couple pic's of how I did my front air that might give you some idea's

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I hope this helps.

[Payrion]

looks gfreat..how did you get to the air line connection and bag mount...it looks as if ya welder a plate to mount the bag.

[Payrion]

got the spring pockets cut out today...i didnt go all the way yet, still deciding what way om mounting the bag in the pocket.....have to wait til monday or so for metal....but cleaned up the lowers, started to clean the frame area around the pocket....here are a few pics..... I need my lower bushings to come in and get plate for lowers then i can finish the front...til then im gonna spend time with kerosene cleaning the front clip up good...

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/018.jpg
see the seam in the pocket...anyone cut it and re weld it to keep it from rubbing the bag? or should i just offset the cup if i go that route?

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/014.jpg

lowers cut up and sway bar mount removed
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/004.jpg

its looking like a bagged truck..wooohooo
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/001.jpg

me using that great plasma..i can go on enough about it for the price...
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/008.jpg

[camoit]

The top and bottom should be attached some how. Things like to move around. Even on a semi truck it is b bolted in place. It is only 1 or 2 bolts depending on the type of bag. If you loose air the bag can come out. Also some bags have a rubber bumper inside of them.

[Payrion]

i hear ya but a lot of s10s have non bolted upper cups, my first truck had them. i know cando sells MM cups and if im correct they have no upper bolt. I always thought that too when the bag deflated it might come out but the truck weight and the pocket kept it all in place.

https://candospecialties.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CSI&Product_Code=25frmitsd50brk&Category_Code=brkt

[Fordubishi]

I opened the hole in the top of the shock tower to bolt the bag to the frame mount. The air lines run from the bottom of the lower control arm.

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Plates welded to lower, with relocated shock mount

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Air lines run through the X-member and then used fittings made to go through a bulkhead

[Payrion]

I opened the hole in the top of the shock tower to bolt the bag to the frame mount. The air lines run from the bottom of the lower control arm.

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Plates welded to lower, with relocated shock mount

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Air lines run through the X-member and then used fittings made to go through a bulkhead

feel free to add more pics to this thread....id like to see some of the rear of the truck if ya have them....

[Fordubishi]

Just go to www.photobucket.com/fordubishi and I have a lot of pic's

[Payrion]

thanks

[LethalEthan]

love how those air lines are run through the x-member with hardline on the outside. Never seen it done that way before. I'm assuming the lines are soft inside the x-member to flex with the control arms correct?

[camoit]

Thats how the custom guys are doing it. But they are running flexible copper inside of all the frame rails so you never see it at all. Some guys are slicing the frame length wise to install them. Then re-welding the frame.

[Fordubishi]

yep i used 5000psi Semi air brake line. SS and Nylon wrapped with 10,000psi screw on fittings.

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airline with fittings

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Rubber center, SS wrapped with Nylon outer shield

[Payrion]

cut some more of the pocket today....cleaned up the upper control arms....gonna leave the ball joints in til im ready for powder coat...dont want to be pressing them in and out...ill buy new when ready for final install....I ordered some round tube 3.125 Id dom 3.5 od..gonna make an upper cup, offset the tube on the bag plate, weld a long lug to run thru the existing shock hole in the top of the perch....i think that will work good.....soaking all the break parts overnight, tomorrow ill blast them......
Decided to powder coat the uppers and lowers in silver vein with hot blue candy top coat......spindles in a sparkly silver...cant decide on the calipers what color yet..what do ya guys think.....
I can coat about anything..i have a 3x3x3 oven, in the middle of a 4x6x4 oven build....

[l.k.]

How much would you charge to do my front suspension, brake, steering, component, .....ill ship them there with materials?

Oh truck is coming along nicely...keep up the good work....

[Payrion]

to be honest right now im not doing anything..i pretty much stopped for the winter so i can finally get to my projects...but if your in no hurry well work it out when i get back at it.

[l.k.]

to be honest right now im not doing anything..i pretty much stopped for the winter so i can finally get to my projects...but if your in no hurry well work it out when i get back at it.


yeah i been on this truck for 2 years now....no rush at all...lol. sounds good to me..winter is my project time aswell.

[Fordubishi]

Winter in Canada....... 2 weeks of good golf or 2 weeks of bad skiing :P

[Payrion]

nothing tonight to add, im feeling sick as hell, almost didnt make it thru work today....body feels like arse....however ill post a few pics of some things ive coated for LK...
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/pccccc182.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/pccccc180.jpg

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http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/Photo0021.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/Photo-0249.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/Powdercoat095.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/Powdercoat096.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/DSCF0793.jpg

[Payrion]

this is not my job...im a Union sheet metal worker by trade...coating is something that i started as a hobby 4 years ago and it grew to the point i had to make a decision on sheet metal or coating....im involved heavily in my unions politics so i choose what my "calling" is and use the coating for funding projects and making my stuff look nice....So when i get a little more along L.K. ill do ya up for a good price....

[LethalEthan]

are you on hrcs as well?

[Payrion]

hrcs? whats that

[l.k.]

thanks payrion...that stuff looks amazing...ill patiently wait for things to fall into place.

[LethalEthan]

hotrodcoffeeshop

[Payrion]

o ya thats me on there..lol

[LethalEthan]

have you done anymore with hydrographic printing?

[Payrion]

ya some testing and playing around...got too busy to do anything serious.....I never got a legit tank, its on my to do list still..lol, if they ever extend the hours in a day i think ill be able to get it going too.

[LethalEthan]

id love a carbon fiber look valve cover whenever you get all set up. maybe a couple of them! hahaha

[Payrion]

another night no pics..nothing big....i sand blasted the spring pockets, i made a friggn mess in the garage....i used 100 lbs of blast sand...ITS EVERYWHERE....i started to blast the lower control arms and brake components , got dome DOM tube today for making cups, if i go that way, Im still up in the air on how the upper bag is mounting...once i get the metal for the lowers and my bushings, ill mock things up and decide....til all thats in , ill just keep cleaning things up.

[Payrion]

one more thing...ill leave you guys with this.....until tomorrow...

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/302985_10150485446657082_677842081_10348308_392352 791_n.jpg

i hope it doesnt break any rules......i love naked hot tatted chicks.......my wife is sleeved, it does something for me.......damn!

[l.k.]

Damn she is hot....wow!

[LethalEthan]

chicks with tats are almost always awesome. this is sort of related and I got a real good laugh http://early-onset-of-night.tumblr.com/post/13348728615/tattoo-artist-ryan-fitzgerald-from-dayton-oh-was

"Tattoo artist Ryan Fitzgerald from Dayton, OH was hit with a $100,000 lawsuit last week by his ex-girlfriend Rossie Brovent. She claims that her boyfriend was supposed to tattoo a scene from Narnia on her back but instead tattooed an image of a pile of excrement with flies buzzing around it."

[Payrion]

got my lower bushing today...metal will be picked up tomorrow,, tomorrow night STREET DOGS in chicago...best friggn band!!!!so no truck work...just working class punk/Oi!..this weekend ill be getting at it good!

[Payrion]

hell that was a great show lastnight..missed work today, slept all day, gonna get in the garage tonight and plate the lowers..ill post pics after...

[Payrion]

well i finally got in there this morning..here is what i did.....

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/005-1.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/008-1.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/012.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/013-1.jpg

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i also pie cut the upper on the drivers size after mounting the lowers.....It looks like i can lay cross member with a 26 in tall rim/tire combo before the pie cut ball joint maxes out....Seem perfect to me since im only looking at an 18 inch rim...will weld up uppers tomorrow and maybe start on triangulating the lowers..gonna research making a tool to line up the lower control arm mount bolt and the triangulated arm mounting point....

[DroppedMitsu]

Nice looking stuff. If I use the stock LCA's when I bag my truck I was planning on doing the exact same thing as you did with cutting them down and plating them, your work looks awesome, but I think I might go tubular.

[mikeslowmax]

those are some damn good looking beads you have there. what welder are you usein

[Payrion]

i have a Lincoln 180 mig..its a 230 v welder..using 75/25 gas...030 wire...

[Payrion]

Nice looking stuff. If I use the stock LCA's when I bag my truck I was planning on doing the exact same thing as you did with cutting them down and plating them, your work looks awesome, but I think I might go tubular.

i would like to use the Michigan Metal Works flat plate with uniballs BUT this is a lot cheaper and it gives me something to do....lol

[DroppedMitsu]

Yea his arms are badass I love his work, I'm just kinda iffy on flat plate arms. But yea def hear you on price thing, and as always it could be upgraded later.

[Payrion]

well got a little done today...made some upper bag plates....got some grinding finished, finished welding the pie cut uppers..I included a pic of the factory and the pie cut one...big re angle...wow....Ordered a few more things tonight for later in the week...will up date in a few days...
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/005-2.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/002-2.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/001-2.jpg

this is what im going for...of course there will be gussets on each side of the bag plate...

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/003-2.jpg

[l.k.]

nice progress man..liking the pics...it helps others get ideas and learn..i try to post lots of them too. when i do work that is...lol

[DroppedMitsu]

Looking good, the upper mount is exactly how I would have done it too. You're going to weld it to the bottom of the coil pocket also right?

[Payrion]

none of it is welded yet....im still trimming to make it perfect...im gonna work on the pass side tonight to get it caught up with the drivers side....after this batch of order crap comes in i should be done with front, painted and powdered around the end of Jan.....Ill be finished with the fab work by x-mas..but im got a ton of clean up before powder and paint......then end of JAN im off to Mexico riviera for a week then on to the back of the truck...

[94mitz]

how much of the uppers did you cut in the pie cut, and where did you cut them at to make it more level?

[Payrion]

how much of the uppers did you cut in the pie cut, and where did you cut them at to make it more level?

i cut them straight across about 3/4 to 1 inch behind the ball joint..i cut thru the humps, left the flat center alone, i then jacked up the spindle til it bent to the amount i needed, tacked it while it was in place, removed control arm and welded up..It will have a nice size gap to fill, Im planning on fish plating the sides to add strength.

[94mitz]

Ok, thanks. Im in the middle of bagging the front of my truck. Ive heard of and seen the upper arms pie cut, But wasnt sure how to do so. Im watching ur thread closely.

[Payrion]

im moving slower then i wanted too on this but work is killing me..only getting a few hours a few nights a week in. But i will try to take as many pics as i go to help anyone out...

[camoit]

You need to put a computer in the shop and line up about 6 hours of music from the radio station. That will help motivate you. I keep getting stuck in video games. Dam them things.

[Payrion]

my wifi doesnt work in there for some reason...i can go 1/2 a block and it works but not in the shop right out side my house...Soon ill have extra time...like i said work is killing me...

[Payrion]

yesterday i bought a harbor freight cheap tube notcher...it works great AFTER i shimmed the pipe holder so the bit is in the center of the pipe....man i spent $35 on it and worth every dime...i cut the tube for triangulating my lowers, got one side tacked up after making a tool to line the pivot points...I got a few metal pieces in the mail today, more coming monday...I should have some decent pics and progress to post sunday night....tonight no truck time..have school stuff for my youngest...see ya guys soon!

[DroppedMitsu]

Good to hear that about the pipe notcher, I was planning on getting it in the very near future. Can't wait for more progress pics.

[Payrion]

i was gonna have more tonight but my wife suprised me lastnight with a tattoo appointment for tonight...soooo i wont be on the truck tonight but by sunday ill have some pics....i have a few idead for my lower control arms that should turn out pretty cool looking..nothing functional but just something extra that ill know is there.... AND SH^%&....there is friggn snow on the ground here thismorning....I HATE WINTER!

[LethalEthan]

What are you getting? I think theres a tattoo thread here. At least there used to be

EDIT: just looked, must have been on the old site. making a new one now!

[l.k.]

What are you getting? I think theres a tattoo thread here. At least there used to be

EDIT: just looked, must have been on the old site. making a new one now!

great thinking lethal...ill throw up some of mine.....
PAYRION-----GET TO WORK....LOL

[Payrion]

ill post a pic after it heals up some..its a pair of boots on my upper back....kinda taken from the band AGNOSTIC FRONT...I am sleeved out..have a good bit of them....

[Payrion]

here is a few pics from this weekend..not a ton..figures i ran out of gas and wire for the welder....I took some good pie cut pics for those with questions...
pie cut pics
clean the area to cut...right above the ball joint..

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/001-3.jpg

draw a line across

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/002-3.jpg

cut all but an inch or so in the middle, cut past the humps

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/003-3.jpg

install ...

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/005-4.jpg

jack up the assemble til you get the amount you want...remember to measure the engine cradle to ground...then measure the spindle to ground and subtract for the rim and tire combo you want to lay with...

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/010.jpg

remove arm again and weld it up..I weld inside and out....you'll have a big gap to fill, i always fish plate the sides...no pics of that cause i ran out of gas and wire...Ill snap some at that time

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/011.jpg

you might have to trim it some when jacking it up if the cut isn't a big enough gap..just trim as needed..

I added a circle plate to my lower control arms and cut the sides to match the arm, it was just something little to add, looks cool..Also mocked up the triangulation of the lowers again but no friggn wire...Got some templates made for the bag plate gussets and a backing plate...metal will be picked up tomorrow and ill be working on getting that all buttoned up..im hoping for this week to have it all together as far as front, ill test it out then break it down for powder and frame rail coat....Im sure i wont make my goal but im having fun at this....

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/014-2.jpg

[l.k.]

looks good man...did you triangulate those off the truck? just wondering.. great pics and explanation of everything. keep up the good work.

[Payrion]

i mocked them up on the truck but will weld them up off the truck..they are not welded yet....ill make the brackets off the arms after they are mounted to the truck...I had them tacked together with the "tool" on and cycled them to see if they moved smooth, they were right on....Im kicking around making some uppers myself, using 1/8 inch plate and making box style with a uniball...im gonna make them after the truck is on the road..that will throw me off on my time if i tackle it now....

[94mitz]

thanks for the pics and explination of them more. The lower arms look good, and that extra bit you cut off the arm where the bag plate goes makes it look alot better to me, Adds that extra touch.

[Payrion]

just dropping in for a small update...I have sand blasting the brake calipers, brackets, hubs....bla bla..trying to get all that cleaned up some..I have also been doing research on re doing the brake system...im waiting on dome damn round tube caps to come in so i can finish the lower control arms....

[Payrion]

got some time in tonight....
started bad..welder was spuddering..i cleaned the liner and bam...back to normal
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/2011-12-16172406.jpg

my round tube caps have not arrived so i said screw it and made my own flat caps...
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/2011-12-16171916.jpg

welded it up
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/2011-12-16172439.jpg

added the arm to the lowers, need to gusset still..
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/2011-12-16175652.jpg

filled a few spots...NOW YOU SEE IT>>
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/2011-12-16174551.jpg

now you dont...
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/2011-12-16174854.jpg

also welded some fish plates to the pie cut uppers..
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/2011-12-16185836.jpg

Im hoping to get the gussets on the lowers done and the brackets for the bar ends on the lowers done tomorrow night, might not get them welded on but will make them....sunday im planning on welding them up and getting the upper bag plates welded in....lets see what happens...

[Payrion]

finished the lowers today...ran out of plasma consumables...so i cant make the frame mount brackets..might try to cut out with the grinders tomorrow....here are a few pics...
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/001-5.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/004-3.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/006-4.jpg

[Payrion]

got the lowers brackets made and welded in, also welded in the upper bag plate....I srill need to add gussets and shocks, then ill be finished for the most part on the front end.....hope to get some more done this 4 day weekend...wait its xmas...bla
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/001-6.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/003-4.jpg

[Payrion]

some more work pics here....
now the drivers side is pretty much done..just have to do some grinding here and there..basic clean up...
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/008-6.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/011-1.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/013-3.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/016-2.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/018-2.jpg

[MAXXINN]

Looks good very nice front setup
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[DroppedMitsu]

Very nice, you do some pretty clean work. I like the gussets, I need to get myself a plasma too, that would be awesome.

[Payrion]

it makes all the difference...This is the 4th truck ive done this to and the first with a plasma......much better...I use them at work everyday but never on a project.

[LiL Bastard]

Even though I'm not a fan a bagged trucks, the work going into your truck is pretty nice. I've been following along very quietly. The work seems to be well thought out, the quality of the work seems to be very good. I'll continue to follow along.

[Payrion]

thanks a lot...trust me when i say no planning..im kicking it as i go...lol...im no stranger to bagged truck or metal work but i am to bagging a mighty max...

I got the driver inner fender cut out enough to lay down and no tires rubbing, i finished the passenger side fab and welding...no pics, looks like the drivers...lol...tomorrow im gonna cut the pass inner and start relocating wires and what not.....
what do ya ll think of this color powder coat for the spindles and the control arms...its silver vein and candy blue...the calipers and brackets will be in a mirror yellow with a metallic clear...
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/003-6.jpg

[crvtec90]

Looking good man.

[LiL Bastard]

Now you just elevated your status. Like the color, and the thought behind it. Allways my biggest complaint of alot of bagged trucks is when people don't do the finish work.

How many times I've seen the fab left raw with rusty fingerprints and seams. Pinch welds hammered flat with golf balf sized hammer marks everywhere near the pinch. Inner fenders cut out with jagged edges, along with the bed, need a tetanitious shot just to go near the truck. Wiring left dangling and loose.

Glad to see that this truck will not be the victim of such carelessness

[Payrion]

the truck will be far from finished when its on the road BUT it wont looked hacked...Im doing this in stages...since im on the suspension im gonna finish it out...I am a sheetmetal worker but have a small side powdercoating business called POWDER EFFECTZ so i cant leave the stuff looking like arse...I think almost everyone plans on finishing it off but the cost involved in just the fab work between all the grinding disks, cut off disks, welding gas and wire, the damn tools...it adds up then add the cost of GOOD coating or paint, the budget is blown before coating...im lucky to have a very nice pro setup and nice size oven and the talent to do this..plus im a person that refuses to have crap...
thanks again for the positive comments...

[Payrion]

well no pics, nothing much to see right now, i have been cleaning up stuff, sand blasting, man there was 20 years of crud on the front...made a bracket to relocate the emissions canister, still have to mount it, opened the wiring harness to re route a few plugs, worked on the brake lines some...after this weekend i should have some update pics.

[Payrion]

ordered DHRP flat plate uppers...had a set in stock so should be here in a week or so...

[DroppedMitsu]

Awesome, I've been wanting to see how his flat plate arms looked.

[Payrion]

they look great to me, ill load a pic after work tonight...they come with cross shaft, polys, ball joint, and install hardware...199 to my door, could not pass it up, they were already made and ready to go..

[Payrion]

here is a stock pic of the control arms coming my way...
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/controlarms.jpg

[railinrealities]

Tell me how that works out for you I tried to order a full set of tubulars and they disabled his PayPal and he hasn't responded back to me in three days

[camoit]

Tell me how that works out for you I tried to order a full set of tubulars and they disabled his PayPal and he hasn't responded back to me in three days

Who disabled? What site? More information please.

[LethalEthan]

there has been bad business with him before. But from what ive seen he's made good on everything since coming back in business

[railinrealities]

We were emailing back and forth, he guaranteed me he would have me a set of tubulars in three weeks I went to pay, his PayPal said he wasn't aloud to receive funds at the moment and I emailed asking what was up and haven't got a response... Around three years ago when he was "barnyard" his service was miserable and everyone said he had stepped up his game but I'm not sure ?

[Payrion]

ya he had some crap in the past as BYC..i truely believe in 2nd chances..he got over his head back then, Im not to worried, we keeps good contact, well see....i have a son who lives in dallas, its not like i dont go there 5 times a year...and i have his address....lol, no worries, i cant wait for them, thats the last i need for the front.

[railinrealities]

I was running different wheels that wouldn't tuck real good so I sectioned my front end then I changed wheels so now I'm in need of a new set of arms I been trying to give him a chance but he doesn't want the business since they are not in stock, he told me about those arms you purchased but I need a full set

[Payrion]

check out michigan metal works......they cost more but taylor does some of the best work... he can build tube arms for ya, i was quoted for upper tube and lower tube with uni joints about a grand....cheaper for regular ball joints

[Payrion]

you have a toy swap, right? what size wheel
and offset you running, what year axle did ya go with?

[railinrealities]

Yeah I talked to him, like 800 bucks for some flat plate arms, trYing dhp first but I may just build em. Was trying to get finished finally but ahhh lol

[Payrion]

should have some powder coat parts pics tonight or tomorrow...i started an hour ago..to my delight...a batch of silver vein i bought is bad...wont vein for crap....called the mfg rep and they said" ya we had some bad batches go out but your a week late on return.....i have 10 lbs!!!! $225 worth..new supplier time....i have some older powder left and its veining very well...After it cools ill shoot some candy blue over and get pics...im not sure i have enough blue to do everything im wanting to today..well see...

[Payrion]

here are a few coatings i did for the truck today
spindles
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/343.jpg
emissions canister bracket
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/340.jpg
lower arms
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/336.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/337.jpg
i dont know how i didnt get a large pic of the lowers but im not going back to the shop today....

tomorrow ill be coating the calipers and caliper bracket in a mirror yellow with metallic clear with fine/light blue and silver flake

[Payrion]

hey guys , i need to change the starter on this truck, since i have the steering box out it seems ill be able to remove it easier....so i thought..any suggestions to get to the damn bolts????? one is fine but the top one looks near impossible to get to with all the auto tranny crap in the way.

[camoit]

Long extinsions, short socket and a swivley. Be ready for the relese of tension.

[DroppedMitsu]

Yup, just what camoit said.

[Payrion]

http://powerbastards.com/proddetail.asp?prod=Fitzall-220

im needing 70 amps alone for the 2 compressors id like to use anyone ever check these alts out?

[camoit]

Have you looked in the tech section. There is a conversion in there. As for that fitting, does the alternator in your truck have a flat nose? You would need to look at the housing and ears. I can't see that thing making 110A at idle. No alternator makes that much at an idle. Makes for great marketing.

[Payrion]

the swap we have is for a 70 amp alt..the 2 compressors im using are 70 amps total add a sound system, eletric fan....im way over the swap we have listed.

[Payrion]

here is another...pricey....wow
http://www.mechmanhighoutputalternators.com/shop/categories/Alternators%252d-High-Output/Mitsubishi/Pickup%7B47%7DMighty-Max/2.4l/

[LethalEthan]

I got a new alt off ebay for my isuzu. I think it was 110amps vs. the stock 50. It ended up being for a different motor so they gave it to me for free. A little creative wiring and some flat plate and washers and I made it fit anyway. I'm pretty sure it was a delco remy alternator from a v6 isuzu. Might want to check them out. I'd imagine the mounting is pretty close to the mighty max's

[Payrion]

i found a 90-94 4g63t alt for $110, its 140 amps...it works, just have to swap pulley. Man i would really like to have a 220 amp...nothings worse then lights dimming when the sir compressors come on, I fought that on my dime til i got a 220 amp alt.

[pennyman1]

Mod some brackets and run a small case gm with 220 amp output. I run a 105 amp small case gm on my 1980 2.6, and have a 200 amp gm waiting to go on the turbo motor when it goes in.

[mikeslowmax]

fab up some brackets and run a york

[pennyman1]

my 1980 had a york for the a/c compressor that laid it on its side above the alternator - its the bracket that was modded to run the small case gm. I even have a spare bracket somewhere I think.

[Payrion]

yes i have given the EDC a thought(engine driven compressor) but at the next to nothing get up and go the truck gets as it is.....plus i really like the az compressors look and run...

[mikeslowmax]

yea I feel ya on the az there nice I had one on my ranger

[Payrion]

well im back from mexico, 2 weeks goes so friggn fast.hhuummmm!!! Got the uppers in the mail while i was gone, they look great man, hope to get motivated to coat them this monday since i took that day off to get back to normal life before work. Ill try to get some pics up.

[l.k.]

believe it or not that edc isnt gonna gonna pull your engine down as much as you think....especially if you plumb it right and its wired right. need a secondary on/off switch along with the regular hook up

[camoit]

You do know they make a compressor for diesel trucks that run off a v belt. And they are lubed by engine oil. You could run air tools off it then. And it will only kick in when the air is low. You could even put on a dryer and then your truck will make that cool whoosh noise like a big truck. You would have so much air you could install an air canon and fire crotchet balls at the bastard that cut you off.

http://www.bendix.com/media/pictures/products/compressors/compressor20family_half.png

[Payrion]

ok guys back to this starter...since i last posted i bought about 6 ft of extensions and 6 swivels.....STILL NO LUCK!!!..soooo today i paid a mechanic from a very good speed shop down the street 25 bucks to stop by tonight after work to look at it for me.....he said he sees no good way to get to the starter unless i remove all the auto trans linkage, the tranny cooling lines, and even after that there is only 1 inch clearance on the top bolt to the fire wall....has anyone actually replaced a starter on a 2nd gen auto 2.4? ...im not kidding here, i have 6-8 hours of time trying to get to any bolt...
before i go ripping all the linkage and lines out im hoping some one who has done it chims in...i cant do anything else on the front til i do this, i want this done before i put the steering box back in.......the starter is right friggn there, i can almost lick it..lol

[Payrion]

ok just went back out and i cannot remove the linkage, its attached by the lower bolt..wtf......so i decided im gonna hack the shit and cut out the fire wall near the bolts and patch it with friggn screws......i hate it, i know its a small thing but its gonna start to rust over time...If i can get motivation i might do it this weekend.

[camoit]

So was the problem with the swivel it would not go on or you could not turn it? I know that some times you need to use a box end on there just to get the first 0.0011 of a turn. Just enough to make it go. I never had a second gen with an auto 2.4L. OH is there a rubber plug where the e brake cable goes through. Is there any way to use the hole there? Or make a hole and then fill it with an electrical knock out plug from home depot later on. Or a peace of 20 gage silicone in place to fill it. Anything???

[Payrion]

i cant get to the bolts with any combo, too much stuff, yes i will try the lower bolt with the knock out for the e cable..thats what gave me the idea of holes in the FW....Im removing the e brake anyways so thats cool on the bottom bolt...man mitsu had a bad idea on these trucks when it comes to the starter....if all the linkage and fluid lines were not there i would have no problem, with the lower bolt at least....i cannot even get a box wrench near the upper bolt...Im a pretty mechanical person, not much i cant figure out.but this has made me loose a lot of interest in doing this project..funny how something so small does that...i know i have to get this before i move on. so i find myself not going out there cause i get so mad....

[camoit]

I know what you mean. But like my project I just had to tell myself it's not going to get done by looking at it. And I do a lot of looking, then I tinker with it. Next thing I know it's done. I'm starting on the rework of the trailing arms on the rear end. Major changes. It's up in the air now. Not sure how far I will go tonight but well see.

[DroppedMitsu]

I have a 2nd gen and had a 2.6 with an auto. I had no problem getting a socket on the starter bolts nor the top tranny bolts with the proper extensions and universal swivel joint. The 2.6 is pretty much tue same size as the 2.4, same with the auto tranny being pretty close to the same setup.

[Stunner]

I never had any problems getting to mine, either. Then again, mine has the manual transmission (don't know if that makes any difference), and I've been fortunate to have access to a lift when mine needs work.

Anyway, I hope you can figure a way to get the bolts out before you get completely fed up and firebomb your truck. Good luck.

[Payrion]

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/2012-03-03102627.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/2012-03-03102609.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/2012-03-03102525.jpg

[l.k.]

that looks good...nice work ^^^^^one day i might just reach that point with mine.....

[camoit]

At least you took a picture before you tossed the calipers in the trash....

[Payrion]

they arnt in the trash yet, wifes uncle said to drop them off and let him give it a go, he ownes a repair shop, hope he does it ....if not then new it is..im gonna get some work done this weekend for sure. I have some cobalt ss rims to coat and there will be a ton of oven time for me to work on the truck...woohoo, hope to have some front end pics.

[Payrion]

finally got the old starter out today, i drilled a hole where the top bolt was and used the factory hole for the emergency brake line for the bottom hole., I also put the control arms on the pass side and spindle....Had a set of rims to coat for a guy so thats all im gonna get finished today, ill get some tomorrow done, the weather has been in all time highs here for this time of the year so im taking advantage of the nice weather for garage time. Tomorrow id like to get the new starter in and finish the clean up on the driver side...

[camoit]

hay. How about u call me. I need to talk about the tube camo. Getting closer.

[Payrion]

ill give ya a shout this weekend....i ve been living at the mill this week....off sat and sun....

[camoit]

How about some pictures of where you work? For the work thread. Would love to see just what you do in there.

[Payrion]

all the cool places im not allowed with a camera or cell...like praxair, BP, Mittel....but ill snap some next cooler job im on...I do HVAC but on a LARGE scale....Ive done as small as house stuff to 20'ft round 1" thick blow pipe. Chiller work, boiler work.....I do a good bit of shop fab work too.

[94mitz]

what do you plan on doing with the rear brakes? Blocking off one line at the master cylinder or taking the two into one using a tee and putting a ajustable preportioning valve in?

[Payrion]

thats exactly right.

[Payrion]

another set back....check this out......when tightning the control arms on, the driver side crosshaft stud busted..BEFORE IT WAS EVEN NEAR TIGHT!!!, the cross shafts are 1/2 inch or so smaller then the control arm bushings, DHRP side its supposed to be that way for tightness of the arm, well it "pulls" the bushings together when tightning down, 2 turns in and several still to go..bam the stud busted....im nervous about driving on this now, maybe it was just a bad bolt used, im not sure, i e mailed mike from DHRP and am waiting for reply, he is always good about getting back to me on any question......
this halts the front now..... so im gonna move to the rear for a while...

busted stud
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/001-9.jpg

driver side rear of shaft, notice the 3/8 inch gap
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/003-8.jpg

the other side of the cross shaft, notice the larger gap...that is what is pulled in to match the other, to me it seems like a lot of stress, but IM NOT EXPERT....i sent a question on to an expert.
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/004-5.jpg

[Payrion]

a few updates...i need to snap pics, started the rear notches...one side done, will throw up pics soon, im sending the arms to taylor at MMW to make a real cross shaft for them...and last update...WOOHOO sunday im driving to villa park Il to get my yota axle and drive shaft...for....$100...nice price...dude is a fellow minitrucker, i found it on craigslist....

[Payrion]

here are a few pics up to now...
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/013-4.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/001-10.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/002-7.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/006-7.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/007-3.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/008-8.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/009-2.jpg

[Sergio T]

Got anymore updates?

[Payrion]

kinda..not too much..got the rear of the frame sandblasted and the driveshaft hoop bent and ready to go in....too damn hot here to go to the garage and work.....things will relax in life in a m onth or 2 so then ill get back heavy...

[Sergio T]

I hear ya. My guy slowed down on my build. It is getting hotter and hotter.

[Uneek98]

here are a few pics up to now...
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/013-4.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/001-10.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/002-7.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/006-7.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/007-3.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/008-8.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/payrion/009-2.jpg

Awesome work here.....Get to bag mine someday. Gotta wait till i get my 89 silverado driving....just about done with the bag job on it

[Payrion]

Awesome work here.....Get to bag mine someday. Gotta wait till i get my 89 silverado driving....just about done with the bag job on it

the silverado is bagged? lets see some pics man.....ive had a full size bug lately....wanting to do one.

[Uneek98]

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the silverado is bagged? lets see some pics man.....ive had a full size bug lately....wanting to do one.


The side pic is of when i bought it

Front pic is how it looks at the moment......i could show u alot more pics of what ive done to it

[Uneek98]

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before and after

[Fordubishi]

Its sometimes nice to pick up someone unfinished project for cheap and finish it. I've done a few like that and sold them for a lot more then what it costs to buy and finish.

[Uneek98]

Its sometimes nice to pick up someone unfinished project for cheap and finish it. I've done a few like that and sold them for a lot more then what it costs to buy and finish.

yea i think he thought he was finished tho......lol Ive redone pretty much everything he did except the notches

[camoit]

OK man,,, give us an update on this thing.

[Uneek98]

OK man,,, give us an update on this thing.

Yea what's goin on?

[Payrion]

I dont work on stuff in the summer, too busy and too hot...But I got a few dies for my bender and ordered some tube, so it should be going again in the next few weeks...And work isnt OT anymore...I have been 12-16/6 days a week for 3 months....Might need a month to sleep....Ill be back on here again..

[crvtec90]

I feel u man....working 60 hours a week myself......doesnt leave muych time to tinker on the truck. I just try to do a lil bit at a time.

[Payrion]

i hate the winter time so i always try to wait til then to mess with my hobbies....we get a short summer so i like to enjoy every bit i can ..but this year the steel mills are cranking out steel so i was busy as hell...not making steel, fixing machines out there...they say the economy is still shot...im thinking its going right now...we have 10 million of work out at 2 mills going on...They are hiring again and tons of projects hitting around here...
ANYWAYS...goal is to get this thing on the road by spring...BUT!!!! damn air compressor blew head gasket lastnight...need to order new...